Jacinda Ardern Talks with Sarah Ferguson

Who can forget the authenticity of the moment when New Zealand’s 40th prime minister hugged a traumatised witness to the Christchurch massacre? In that instant, Rt. Hon. Dame Jacinda Ardern became a symbol of a different kind of leadership – empathetic, and genuine.

She describes herself as conscientious, anxious, never confident she was good enough for the job she accepted out of a “grinding sense of responsibility”. Even her resignation in 2023 was surprisingly honest: she just didn’t have “enough in the tank” to fight another election. A conversation about women and power.